law discussion, meeting 2

[19:03] Aileen Zessinthal: hello :)
[19:03] muhammedyussif Wikinger: hi
[19:04] Rose Springvale: hello!
[19:04] Aileen Zessinthal: hi, Rose :D
[19:04] Rose Springvale: satir!
[19:04] Rose Springvale: aileen!
[19:04] Rose Springvale: i'm a bit scattered tonight .. how are you doing?
[19:05] Rose Springvale: muhammed, did you get cold?
[19:05] muhammedyussif Wikinger: cold?
[19:05] Rose Springvale: hey cindy!
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[19:05] Cindy Ecksol: hey rose!
[19:05] Rose Springvale: is that a new scarf?
[19:05] Aileen Zessinthal: hello, everyone, nice to meet you
[19:06] Cindy Ecksol: missed part of the meeting earlier so I figured I'd come down and catch what I missed
[19:06] Aileen Zessinthal: asalam aleykum
[19:06] muhammedyussif Wikinger: ok - yes - we have cold weather here in Seden - like in Minnesota
[19:06] Rose Springvale: good!
[19:06] Rose Springvale: ahhh
[19:06] muhammedyussif Wikinger: aleikomosalam
[19:06] Rose Springvale: i was missing cold weather today, how silly is that?
[19:06] Rose Springvale: it was in the 70s
[19:07] Rose Springvale: muhammed tells me he has a shorter version tonigth
[19:07] Rose Springvale: and there is a notecard in the agenda box that Andreu Donat prepared
[19:07] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Not so much Manen
[19:08] Rose Springvale: in short we ar e discussing whether and how we shoudl amend our covenants
[19:08] Cindy Ecksol wonders if Rose would miss cold weather if it had been below 25 for the last week where she is....
[19:08] Rose Springvale: to open them to a broader statement to more accurately reflect what AA has become. muhammed opposes this, and we have asked him to give us some information on shari'a law
[19:09] Rose Springvale: and i know cindy, just hard to adjust :)
[19:09] Rose Springvale: and it's been ten years, you'd think i'd be there!
[19:09] Rose Springvale: shall we let muhammed talk? hes up very very early
[19:09] Aileen Zessinthal: :)
[19:09] muhammedyussif Wikinger: 4 in the morning
[19:09] Rose Springvale shudders
[19:10] Rose Springvale: i liek to be up at 4, but i dont want to see people!
[19:10] muhammedyussif Wikinger: well?
[19:10] Rose Springvale: cindy, coem sit, and yes, go on muhammed please
[19:10] Aileen Zessinthal: I am ready to listen
[19:11] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Last Wednesday we discussed Sharia and a lot of opinions was brought forward
[19:11] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Rose asked me then to make a presentation of Sharia so we had some facts to support the discussion
[19:11] muhammedyussif Wikinger: I claimed that the original aim with Al Andalus project was to rule the sim according to Sharia Law
[19:11] muhammedyussif Wikinger: and suggested that we should do so
[19:11] Rose Springvale: hi amy, just getting started :)
[19:11] muhammedyussif Wikinger: I will first go back to a notecard written by the founder Michel Manen
[19:12] Rose Springvale: ahem
[19:12] muhammedyussif Wikinger: and then make an own survey
[19:12] Rose Springvale: one of the founders :)
[19:12] muhammedyussif Wikinger: It will take about ten minutes and then we will have a discussion. Michel wrote in very short after some cutting as follows
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[19:12] muhammedyussif Wikinger: One of the great challenges of the XXIst Century will be to develop a system of governance
[19:12] muhammedyussif Wikinger: combining authentically islamic principles and traditions with universal ideals of popular participation and human rights.
[19:12] muhammedyussif Wikinger: A vital term is that of SHARIA, translated as "way" or "path", which constitutes
[19:13] muhammedyussif Wikinger: the legal framework within which the public and some private aspects of life
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[19:13] muhammedyussif Wikinger: are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Muslim principles of jurisprudence.
[19:13] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Sharia deals with all aspects of day-to-day life, including politics, economics, banking
[19:13] muhammedyussif Wikinger: business law, contract law, sexuality, and social issues
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[19:13] muhammedyussif Wikinger: There is not a strictly codified uniform set of laws
[19:13] muhammedyussif Wikinger: pertaining to Sharia.
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[19:14] muhammedyussif Wikinger: It is more like a system of devising laws, based on the Qur'an, Hadith and centuries of debate, interpretation and precedent.
[19:14] muhammedyussif Wikinger: We need to develop a new concept of islamic citizenship
[19:14] muhammedyussif Wikinger: of equal membership in the Ummah, based on a XXIst century understandings of Sharia,
[19:14] muhammedyussif Wikinger: where each citizen contributes to the common good,
[19:14] muhammedyussif Wikinger: and where the Ummah is open to all who wish to join and participate
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[19:14] muhammedyussif Wikinger: irrespective of nationality or religion, just as the Al-Andalus of a millenium ago.
[19:14] muhammedyussif Wikinger: That was Michel Manens vision.
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[19:15] muhammedyussif Wikinger: It was met with criticism especially on the Sharia method.
[19:15] muhammedyussif Wikinger: The criticism was built on a lot of misconceptions grounded in actual media discussion
[19:15] muhammedyussif Wikinger: because of some gruesome events with high media value
[19:15] muhammedyussif Wikinger: The critics did not want to see the possibilities for cooperation
[19:15] muhammedyussif Wikinger: between at least three great cultures.
[19:15] muhammedyussif Wikinger: In all societies there are laws written and unwritten
[19:16] muhammedyussif Wikinger: and if you look at them you will always find something disturbing and hard to accept
[19:16] muhammedyussif Wikinger: especially if you look at other peoples laws
[19:16] muhammedyussif Wikinger: In Sweden we criticise USA for applying death sentence to mentally handicapped,
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[19:16] muhammedyussif Wikinger: others criticise Sweden for punishing buyers of "love"
[19:16] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Saudi-arabia is criticised for harsch punishment for stealing
[19:16] muhammedyussif Wikinger: and Pakistan is criticised for awful methods for punishing adultory.
[19:17] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Not to be astonished our own laws always seemes to be the best and most acceptable.
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[19:17] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Because this is an experimental society for cooperation,
[19:17] muhammedyussif Wikinger: we can't use the total legal system of one culture.
[19:17] muhammedyussif Wikinger: We must careful choose what is possible to apply and what is possible to accept.
[19:17] muhammedyussif Wikinger: To use the word Sharia is important to attract muslims
[19:18] muhammedyussif Wikinger: and because muslims are a minority here
[19:18] Rose Springvale: why is that?
[19:18] muhammedyussif Wikinger: we can afford if some others leave in disgust.
[19:18] muhammedyussif Wikinger: To prevent that we must have an educational attitude
[19:18] muhammedyussif Wikinger: I believe we better start with the Sharia recommendations for governement.
[19:18] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Each cultural group democratically chooses its representatives
[19:18] Rose Springvale: which are what specifically?
[19:18] muhammedyussif Wikinger: to a government to avoid bad managment grounded in lack of knowledge.
[19:18] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Each cultural group will take care of its own rules for conduct
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[19:19] muhammedyussif Wikinger: between themselves which are accepted by the others
[19:19] muhammedyussif Wikinger: The owner or her representative leads the government
[19:19] muhammedyussif Wikinger: and wears the ultimate responsibility for methods and results
[19:19] muhammedyussif Wikinger: In this format the "laws" or rules of Al Andalus
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[19:19] muhammedyussif Wikinger: slowly will develop in a way that can be accepted by the citizens
[19:19] muhammedyussif Wikinger: and in scha'allah stand as model for a 21th century society
[19:20] muhammedyussif Wikinger: in real life were we have a cultural mixture a multicultural society.
[19:20] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Questions please!
[19:20] Rose Springvale: i'll save mine, you all go on :)
[19:20] Satir DeCuir: ok can I ask something/say
[19:20] muhammedyussif Wikinger: yes
[19:20] Rose Springvale: please satir
[19:21] Rose Springvale: (please do :) )
[19:21] Satir DeCuir: isnt it a contradiction, the "purpose"/intent of AA be a place of different cultures/religions living together etc, and say its a democracy exactly for that freedom of thinking/beliefs, and at the same time stablish "sharia" as its base?
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[19:22] muhammedyussif Wikinger: that's a good question
[19:22] muhammedyussif Wikinger: this is the intersting thing with Al andalus
[19:22] Satir DeCuir: like, I believe there shouldnt be a base rl related law/religion linked to AA...its like say "here, we will follow sharia"...or "here, we believe in jesus and will enforce his mandaments, but its a free place ok?"
[19:22] muhammedyussif Wikinger: It could be a contradiction -
[19:22] muhammedyussif Wikinger: but we could try to overcome it...
[19:22] muhammedyussif Wikinger: and so benefit the RL problems
[19:23] Satir DeCuir: maybe we should let government dont have an official role in this, cause I think its a very personal thing, in what each person believe its right
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[19:23] Rose Springvale: muhammed, do you agree that the basic tenets of law are the same in each of the thre
[19:23] muhammedyussif Wikinger: the government will always take a stand
[19:23] Rose Springvale: three .. judaism, christianit and islam?
[19:23] Aileen Zessinthal: I have a comment about this when I am able to have a turn :)
[19:24] muhammedyussif Wikinger: ¨'yes - as being sister religions...
[19:24] muhammedyussif Wikinger: and have the Bible as common rule
[19:24] Rose Springvale: but i'm talking about the legal issues, not religion
[19:25] muhammedyussif Wikinger: our religions has formed the legal framework
[19:25] Satir DeCuir: sure aileen go ahead :)
[19:25] Rose Springvale: political participation, separation of powers, justice and the rule of law.
[19:25] Rose Springvale: (from current covenants.) yes please Aileen
[19:25] Aileen Zessinthal: well, what I am about to say is not my opinion or position
[19:25] Aileen Zessinthal: I am just trying to learn
[19:25] muhammedyussif Wikinger: ok
[19:25] Aileen Zessinthal: and make sure I have a good understanding
[19:25] Rose Springvale: that's good
[19:26] Aileen Zessinthal: so I will say something, and then correct me or confirm or add to it
[19:26] Aileen Zessinthal: anyway
[19:26] Aileen Zessinthal: in my understanding
[19:26] Aileen Zessinthal: shari'a and Islam as a religion are not exactly the same thing
[19:26] muhammedyussif Wikinger: true
[19:26] Aileen Zessinthal: perhaps they are more intertwined than we are used to in Western society, but still
[19:27] Aileen Zessinthal: Sharia is a legal tradition
[19:27] Aileen Zessinthal: so that is one thing
[19:27] Aileen Zessinthal: also
[19:27] muhammedyussif Wikinger: true
[19:27] Aileen Zessinthal: we can realize that many of our laws
[19:27] Aileen Zessinthal: in Western civilization
[19:27] Aileen Zessinthal: are based on what we term judeo-Christian values
[19:28] Aileen Zessinthal: without being a religion
[19:28] muhammedyussif Wikinger: true
[19:28] Aileen Zessinthal: or informing religious belief per se
[19:28] Amy Calamity: so how do individual liberties fit into that paradigm?
[19:28] Amy Calamity: Are they viewed as stemming from a christian paradigm?
[19:28] Rose Springvale: that is an important question. how do they muhammed?
[19:28] Aileen Zessinthal: so I am imagining that this is the state of things between the ideas of Sharia and the Islamic religion
[19:28] Aileen Zessinthal: or a similar state
[19:29] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Sahll we take Aileen first
[19:29] Rose Springvale: and i think Aileen that is part of the confusion
[19:29] Aileen Zessinthal: would you say this, muhammed, or am i missing a nuance or two?
[19:29] muhammedyussif Wikinger: think you are right Aileen
[19:29] Aileen Zessinthal: well, I am not saying that either condition is good or bad for Western or "eastern" society
[19:29] Aileen Zessinthal: just trying to get a clearer picture
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[19:30] Aileen Zessinthal: or for a cooperative society . . . still thining through all the implications
[19:30] Aileen Zessinthal: *thinking
[19:30] Rose Springvale: i don't think there is a value judgment to be made.. i think that is the point...
[19:30] Rose Springvale: the focus we've evolved to here in Al andalus is one of mutual collaboration
[19:31] Rose Springvale: peaceful coesxitance and appreciation of diversity
[19:31] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Amy's question - shall we take it now?
[19:31] Rose Springvale: i fear that the distinctions muhammed proposes will divide us rather than unite
[19:31] Rose Springvale: did you get your question answered Aileen?
[19:31] Aileen Zessinthal: yes, I just wanted to comment, I'm fine for the moment
[19:31] muhammedyussif Wikinger: could be - but it perhaps make a false unity
[19:31] Rose Springvale: k
[19:32] Rose Springvale: interesting conclusion.. false?
[19:32] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Amy asked about individual rights
[19:32] muhammedyussif Wikinger: false in meaning an acceptanse of rules in mind but not in heart
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[19:33] Rose Springvale: not sure that makes sense, but go on and take amy's q
[19:33] Satir DeCuir: but that is what we would have if we have an "official" religion/laws no?
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[19:33] muhammedyussif Wikinger: we should not have an official religion - it would be three divided
[19:34] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Amy's question...
[19:34] muhammedyussif Wikinger: When Islam came to the arabs
[19:34] muhammedyussif Wikinger: it clearly gave the women a lot of personal freedoms
[19:34] Rose Springvale: smile
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[19:34] Rose Springvale: this is going to be interesting ...
[19:34] muhammedyussif Wikinger: and it also protected children especial females
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[19:35] muhammedyussif Wikinger: it regulated wit personal protection heirs
[19:35] muhammedyussif Wikinger: so the sharia rules is intended to protect the individual
[19:36] Rose Springvale: do women in isllam have rightst and power equal to men?
[19:36] muhammedyussif Wikinger: but compared to western values it seemes very strict
[19:36] Rose Springvale: rights and powers
[19:36] muhammedyussif Wikinger: equal value but not the same
[19:36] Amy Calamity: There are large, dominant christian communities where women in the US don't have the same rights as men
[19:36] Rose Springvale: ah
[19:36] Rose Springvale: true
[19:36] Rose Springvale: but under our constitution they are
[19:37] Rose Springvale: in the US, because religion and law are separate
[19:37] Rose Springvale: it is truly a matter of choie
[19:37] Amy Calamity: and you could argue that the freedom in secular american culture has created hubs of men that can do whatever they want to women and get away with it, and this hurts women's careers
[19:37] Rose Springvale: choice. is that so under shari'a?
[19:37] Rose Springvale: we are talking about the system of law though
[19:37] Rose Springvale: not the evolution of it as applied
[19:38] Amy Calamity: I guess I don't know enough about non-christian religions to comment on the difference
[19:38] Aileen Zessinthal: however, I see the greater opportunity or problem depending on exactly the "mechanisms" of sharia (remember, legal tradition, no religion) IS if civil discussion is available in which case the hadith, Quran etc can be used to provide a variety of laws and theory and rights including those for women -- it's fluid according to the age, or it can be
[19:38] muhammedyussif Wikinger: we could take the examole of women as they are treated in western society
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[19:38] Amy Calamity: but in mye xperience, it's very hard to distinguish between those
[19:38] Amy Calamity: it often comes down to rhetoric
[19:38] Rose Springvale: well, right now i am asking a simple question
[19:38] muhammedyussif Wikinger: sharia prot4ect women from beeing used
[19:39] Rose Springvale: does shari'a afford the same rights to women as men. exactly
[19:39] muhammedyussif Wikinger: no
[19:39] muhammedyussif Wikinger: different rights
[19:39] Aileen Zessinthal: but can it?
[19:39] muhammedyussif Wikinger: noone is better or best
[19:39] Aileen Zessinthal: can the discussion be had?
[19:39] Rose Springvale: then how can we say we want it for a culture that includes other faiths?
[19:39] Rose Springvale: whose beliefs are not that
[19:39] Amy Calamity: but the bible also doesn't afford these rights, but the christian-based system of law in the us does
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[19:40] Rose Springvale: no
[19:40] Amy Calamity: or tries, or thinks it tries... or something
[19:40] Rose Springvale: amy
[19:40] Rose Springvale: the law in the us is totally secular
[19:40] Aileen Zessinthal: true enough, Amy
[19:40] muhammedyussif Wikinger: that's the three headed governement
[19:40] Aileen Zessinthal: also I wouldn't say totally Christian based
[19:40] Rose Springvale: there is no difference in the rights of men or women
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[19:40] muhammedyussif Wikinger: different rules for the three religions
[19:40] Rose Springvale: but that assumes
[19:40] muhammedyussif Wikinger: everybody satisfied :-)
[19:40] Rose Springvale: a) we have populations for only thre religions
[19:41] Aileen Zessinthal: lol :)
[19:41] Rose Springvale: and that they support the community
[19:41] Rose Springvale: with their work and their resources
[19:41] muhammedyussif Wikinger: yes
[19:41] Rose Springvale: and that is the think i have trouble with
[19:41] muhammedyussif Wikinger: yes I see
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[19:42] Rose Springvale: because while we have been technically under this :"law" for 18 months, it isn't working
[19:42] Rose Springvale: and it serves to eat up MY time trying to explain things that are not here
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[19:42] muhammedyussif Wikinger: yes
[19:42] Aileen Zessinthal: I also don't feel that I am a different cultural group nor do I identify as a Christian when I participate civilly, I feel much more universal than that . . . I think :)
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[19:42] Rose Springvale: yes, aileen, i do too
[19:43] Rose Springvale: and then we have people like cindy
[19:43] Rose Springvale: who are .. multi religioned
[19:43] Aileen Zessinthal: but I also think I don't understand enough about the possibilities of Sharia to say yea or nay, at least as an experiment
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[19:43] Rose Springvale picks on cindy
[19:43] muhammedyussif Wikinger: We all look from our own point of view
[19:43] Aileen Zessinthal: but maybe that's taking it too lightly also, I don't know
[19:44] Aileen Zessinthal: hmm
[19:44] Rose Springvale: my proposal has not been to eliminate the right of muslims in al andalsu to join together as a voice
[19:44] muhammedyussif Wikinger: It is a problem if a person think he are the whole but really are a part
[19:44] Rose Springvale: but to broaden our definitions to include all the people who are active here
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[19:44] Aileen Zessinthal: well, I can say, though, that I came here, and maybe I am just one
[19:44] Aileen Zessinthal: to participate Islamically
[19:44] Aileen Zessinthal: to a degree anyway
[19:45] Rose Springvale: i believe Al andalus of the 13th century worked because the different cultures each brough skills. Are you muslim Aileen?
[19:45] Aileen Zessinthal: no, I am not
[19:45] Rose Springvale: nor am i
[19:45] Rose Springvale: and the problem is
[19:45] Satir DeCuir: I agree... I think if we entitle AA as "under sharia law", no one else but the followers of sharia law would come here
[19:45] Rose Springvale: we dn't have the knowledge to create this system
[19:45] muhammedyussif Wikinger: thatä's an educational problem
[19:45] Rose Springvale: and i think it deisrespectful to pretend we do
[19:45] Rose Springvale: so i'm in favor of much more discussion like htis
[19:46] Rose Springvale: and education
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[19:46] Rose Springvale: but to goven the sim under sharia law closes doors to us
[19:46] muhammedyussif Wikinger: I agree
[19:46] Aileen Zessinthal: I do agree with that! education!
[19:46] Aileen Zessinthal: start at the beginning
[19:46] Rose Springvale: well, i think this kind of discussion is great
[19:46] Rose Springvale: and exactly waht i want from AA
[19:46] Aileen Zessinthal: I also want to say
[19:46] muhammedyussif Wikinger: Imagine how the indonesian and pakistanni feels
[19:46] Aileen Zessinthal: does anyone know who Rahael Raza is? I hope I said her name right
[19:47] Aileen Zessinthal: and I hope I offend no one, stop me if I do
[19:47] Rose Springvale: go on aileen, safe space to speak here
[19:47] Aileen Zessinthal: she is a Muslim woman
[19:47] Aileen Zessinthal: and she is very much into the freedom and advancement of women
[19:47] Aileen Zessinthal: and she does this in a framework of her faithfulness, I believe
[19:47] Aileen Zessinthal: she doesn't see herself contradicting
[19:48] Aileen Zessinthal: although there are many who disagree and are uncomfortable with her, of coruse
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[19:48] Aileen Zessinthal: and I know I don't understand, again, completely with her
[19:48] Aileen Zessinthal: but the point is, I don't think Sharia precludes rights of women although the present manifestation of Sharia may
[19:48] Aileen Zessinthal: but that is . . . I may not know enough
[19:49] Rose Springvale: smile, but that's the point.. shari'a is interpretted differently by all countries
[19:49] muhammedyussif Wikinger: there is a grewing faminist movement inside islam
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[19:49] Rose Springvale: and sects within countries
[19:49] muhammedyussif Wikinger: feminist
[19:49] Aileen Zessinthal: and an experiment like this, is a perfect place for those possibilities
[19:49] Aileen Zessinthal: yes, muhammad
[19:49] Aileen Zessinthal: or may be a perfect place, maybe it's not :)
[19:49] muhammedyussif Wikinger: that is also a possibility
[19:49] muhammedyussif Wikinger: for us
[19:50] muhammedyussif Wikinger: we can choose
[19:50] Rose Springvale: well, thank you muhammedyussif. you have done a great job
[19:50] muhammedyussif Wikinger: I'm happy to contribute
[19:50] Aileen Zessinthal: we do need more knowledge
[19:50] Aileen Zessinthal: yes, shukran, muhammed
[19:50] muhammedyussif Wikinger: afoan
[19:50] Rose Springvale: this afternoon we agreed to look at the issues for the week, and study the covenants
[19:51] Rose Springvale: as well as the issues Andreu raised. I'd like to take a copy of this chat if you all agree
[19:51] Rose Springvale: and i'll combine it with the earlier discussion
[19:51] muhammedyussif Wikinger: ok
[19:51] Rose Springvale: and make it available for others who couldn't attend.
[19:51] Satir DeCuir: sure
[19:51] Aileen Zessinthal: I agree
[19:52] Rose Springvale: and then next week, we'll see what thoughts ahve emerges. and i ask that you take a look at the first part of our covenants, and see if there is language that accomodates what we want. I've drafted some
[19:52] Rose Springvale: but this IS a democracy
[19:52] Rose Springvale: and not a monarchy :0
[19:52] Rose Springvale: I'll put the notes out in group chat
[19:53] Rose Springvale: and if you can't come next week but want to contribute, just send me waht you have
[19:53] muhammedyussif Wikinger: would be nice - wher dio I find this convenant?
[19:53] Rose Springvale: on the land tab muhammed
[19:53] Rose Springvale: just click anywhere in the sim
[19:53] muhammedyussif Wikinger: ok
[19:53] Rose Springvale: at the top of the page on your screen where it says al andalus
[19:53] Rose Springvale: then go to "covenant"
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[19:53] Rose Springvale: only the part to "let's find out" is under discussion
[19:54] muhammedyussif Wikinger: I see
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[19:54] Aileen Zessinthal: I will go now, thank you all of you for your thoughts, I can see everyone cares deeply :)
[19:54] Aileen Zessinthal: bye!
[19:54] Rose Springvale: much of the rest will be amended, but that has to do with things that are no longer applicable.. written before the sims wer ready
[19:54] Rose Springvale: thanks Aileen
[19:54] Satir DeCuir: bybye aileen, thanks for coming
[19:54] muhammedyussif Wikinger: bye salamo'aleikom
[19:54] Aileen Zessinthal: :)
[19:55] Bells Semyorka is Online
[19:55] Delia Lake gave you InWorld Amphitheatre, InWorld Studios (65, 51, 28).
[19:55] Rose Springvale: so... does anyone have anything else?
[19:56] Satir DeCuir: not me
[19:56] Grey Ashdene is Online
[19:56] Amy Calamity: bye everyone, thanks for letting me sit in!
[19:56] Rose Springvale: just got a note from Delia Lake, she's being inteviews on her sustainability work tomorrow at 6 slt
[19:56] Amy Calamity: :)
[19:56] Satir DeCuir: yw Amy, bybye :))
[19:56] Rose Springvale: amy, thank you for coming and helping us ask hard questions
[19:56] muhammedyussif Wikinger: bye
[19:56] Rose Springvale: hope to see you around moere!
[19:57] Rose Springvale: muhammedyussif, thanks again.. i know how much you put into this presentation and i truly appreciate it
[19:58] muhammedyussif Wikinger: ok
[19:58] kelvinblue Oh is Online
[19:58] Tinker Imako is Online
[19:58] muhammedyussif Wikinger: bye for now
[19:58] Satir DeCuir: bybyee
[19:58] Rose Springvale: and i'm exhausted, and promised to be out of here by 8
[19:58] Rose Springvale: bye!
[19:58] Satir DeCuir: need to go too
[19:58] Bells Semyorka is Offline
[19:58] Satir DeCuir: bye cindy, rose
[19:58] Rose Springvale: satir, i sent you email, did you see?
[19:58] Satir DeCuir: :)
[19:58] Satir DeCuir: yes
[19:59] Rose Springvale: did you reply? :)
[19:59] Satir DeCuir: hm no
[19:59] Rose Springvale: lol
[19:59] Rose Springvale: okay
[19:59] Rose Springvale: soliel is going to be in ischia on friday and i have a guy who wants to play guitar on saturday.
[20:00] Rose Springvale: wasn't sure about the guy in ischia .. but he's supposed to be good, can put him somewhere :)
[20:00] Satir DeCuir: yes
[20:00] Rose Springvale: thought i'd see how friday goes
[20:01] Satir DeCuir: from sl blog: We are scheduling a 60 minute maintenance window beginning at 5:30am PST.
[20:01] Rose Springvale: on what day?
[20:01] Satir DeCuir: tomorrow
[20:01] Rose Springvale: ah
[20:01] Rose Springvale: maybe they will FIX something
[20:01] Rose Springvale: i'm so tired of crashing!
[20:02] Bells Semyorka is Online